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Sales Corner Guidelines: Supplemental Provisions and Definitions
On November 16, 2002
Sales Board Guidelines:
Pre-owned and worn
TimeZone limits for sale, want to buy and want to trade ads to pre-owned watches that have been worn. Pre-owned means sold to, unwrapped (i.e. protective films removed) and worn by a retail customer, and no open papers. Your ad must establish that your watch is both pre-owned and has been worn. If your ad does not provide this information, we may contact you to request proof that our requirements are met, or we may remove your ad without notice, at our discretion. You may not list or seek watches that are new, New In Box (NIB), Brand New in Box (BNIB), factory fresh, still in the plastic, or similar. Please see the TZ Grading System below for the grades we allow. TimeZone sponsors may offer new watches for which they are authorized agents. If you may not list your watch here, please visit the Trading Post at Watchnet.com.
Community members may buy, sell and trade new watch-related items such as straps, bracelets, winders, tools, books, and boxes.
Please note that TimeZone does not permit the sale of items which the seller does not possess but which he intends to acquire after a sale has been arranged.
Please do not use TimeZone sales boards to buy, sell or trade warranty documents, booklets, or cards, receipts, COSC certificates, or other documents intended by the manufacturer to accompany a specific watch, unless you also seek or offer the related watch. Do not list or seek “open papers.” You may list or seek instruction manuals.
Three (3) per day
Three (3) posts per day means three (3) posts per person, company, store, business, organization, enterprise and/or association. For example, two people in business together may post a total of three (3) ads.
Links and references
Please do not include in your post any links or references to auction sites, specific auctions, or to commercial sites. Links include but are not limited to text, images and icons. References include but are not limited to full or partial auction site names, and complete and some partial URLs. For example, if you have a site at www.sellawatch.com, you may watermark images using your name, but not sellawatch, a logo stating “sellawatch”, sellawatch.com or any other more complete version of the URL. You may also not use photos containing materials or props that show the link or URL to a commercial site. Do not say “currently available on [auction site name].” You may not use TZ sales boards to directly or indirectly refer or direct people to an auction posted elsewhere. You may post links to image hosting sites and to personal web pages where images of the item in your ad are hosted, so long as the sites/pages linked to only host images and do not offer watches for sale.
Want to Buy (WTB)
You may post a WTB ad only if you are a private buyer seeking to purchase one example of a specific used watch for your personal use, and not for re-sale. You may not post an ad seeking multiple examples of a specific watch model.
TimeZone sales boards are limited to ads for specific items at specific prices. Accordingly, we do not allow ads offering discounts on more than one example or style of watch or other item. For example, you may not post an ad that reads “20% off all Movado”; “50 assorted straps at 30% off”; or “One Concord at 25% off, others available.” Sales board ads should identify the item(s) being offered with specificity, and state prices in dollars and cents.
Counterfeit, fake or replica watches or parts
You may not post any counterfeit, fake or replica watch, or any watch that contains any counterfeit, fake or replica parts. This includes, for example, a genuine Rolex with an “aftermarket” bracelet that bears the Rolex crown logo, or a genuine Rolex with an aftermarket Rolex dial that bears the Rolex name or logo. You may not post any items containing a manufacturer’s logo which were not specifically produced or authorized by that manufacturer.
Do not list any watch that has been altered to create a watch that appears to be a brand or model it is not. This includes re-dialed or recased watches, and any other use of components from different models. This rule applies whether such changes are disclosed in the ad or not. By way of example:
- You may list a Rolex that has been redialed, but you may not list a Tudor Sub redialed to look like a Rolex Sub.
- You may list a recased Patek pocket watch, but you may not list a watch with a Patek case and dial, but an ETA movement.
- You may list an Omega Seamaster Pro that has an Admiral’s Cup bezel added
- You may not list an Omega that has been re-dialed or put together to look like a vintage Seamaster 300.
Please keep in mind that to be listed on a TimeZone sales board, a watch must be pre-owned and have been worn. Pre-owned means sold to a retail customer and no open papers.
A pre-owned watch that has been worn, yet is in pristine condition. Accompanied by the factory box(es), tags and documentation. No alterations from factory-delivered condition. The warranty papers must be stamped to establish the authenticity and validity of the watch; TimeZone does not allow sales of watches with “open papers.” No bracelet resizing or marks of any kind. 100%
A pre-owned watch that is in very nearly perfect condition. Signs of wear are visible with a low powered loupe. May be a watch that is in LNIB condition but not accompanied by the factory box(es) or documentation. May refer to an older watch that has been restored, so long as the restoration returned the watch to very nearly pristine factory original condition. Working perfectly, keeping excellent time, needs nothing. 97-99%
Showing very light signs of wear. Faint scratches on the case, bezel, bracelet or buckle are visible to the naked eye. Completely original in every way. Strap shows light use – may be bent or lightly creased, but not stained. Bracelet may be resized. The watch is working perfectly, keeping very good time and needs nothing. 93-96%
Evidence of use is visible to the unaided eye. Scratches are light, but more numerous than “near mint”. If the watch has been restored, all original replacement parts have been used. Strap clearly used but no stains. No dents or dings are detectable, and the bracelet has little wear. Working perfectly, needs no repair or service. 88-92%
The watch shows what might be considered normal wear by a careful owner who wore the watch regularly. Scratches are evident, but no nicks or dings. May have replacement parts and/or a high quality redial. Running and keeping good time, though may need minor regulation. A sound, attractive presentation overall. 83-87%
Nothing fundamentally wrong with the watch, though it has quite obviously been used. Running and wearable, but may gain or lose a few minutes over 24 hours. Case may show a few dings, nicks, or deep scratches. May have a redial that is not up to high standards. May not have all original parts. 77-82%
Well used, may require service and/or restoration to be useable. May be running erratically. Dial, case, and other major components may not be original, but no pieces are missing. Even an untrained eye could tell the watch is worse for wear. Some might call it rough. 72-76%
Shows abuse, requires service and/or restoration. May have major cosmetic flaws, missing parts, may not run at all. A speculative piece – ‘fixer-upper’ would be too generous. Not junk, but requires lots of work to be made wearable. 66-71%
Scrap / Parts
A collection of parts that at one time may have been a functioning timekeeper. Now missing parts, may be rusted or corroded, not worth restoring. Most people would call it junk. 64% or worse.
Your watch description must expressly state one of the grades set out above, or an intermediate grade. If your watch does not fall precisely into one of the grades, you may use an intermediate indication such as “Good +” and provide a description of why an intermediate grade was used, for example ”cosmetically rough, but just received a full mechanical overhaul, new strap, and runs perfectly.”
TimeZone’s sales boards are online message boards for our community members to buy, sell, and trade among themselves. All TimeZone sales board transactions are undertaken at your own risk. TimeZone is not involved in the transaction between the parties, and TimeZone does not actively screen buyers, sellers, or items offered for sale or trade. As a result, TimeZone has no control over the authenticity or quality of the items advertised, the truth or accuracy of the descriptions, the ability or intent of sellers to deliver items, or the ability or intent of buyers to pay for items. Parties to transactions should make a copy of the ad for their records. TimeZone cannot guaranty that ads will be available at a later date. We cannot ensure that a buyer or seller will actually complete a transaction. Be aware of the risk that funds will be transferred and goods will not be sent in exchange. TimeZone is unable to verify the actual identity or location of buyers or sellers. Buyers are urged to take reasonable precautions to assure their seller is trustworthy – please review our Tips for Avoiding Fraud for more information.
TimeZone urges caution in all long-distance transactions with persons unknown to you, especially if a deal seems “too good to be true.”
TimeZone urges parties to communicate via telephone before agreeing to buy, sell or trade in order to establish the trustworthiness of the other party, that the item is as described, and that all terms are understood and agreed by both sides. Some of the points buyers and seller should clarify include:
Does the item require service? If it’s a watch, is it running well and keeping good time? Does the seller know the history? Has it been repaired or had parts replaced? Does it come with original box and papers? Can the seller provide additional pictures to verify claims?
Does the buyer want to check the seller’s references? Can buyer verify that the references are genuine, and not somehow related to or controlled by the seller?
An escrow service acts as an agent of the buyer and the seller. Buyer sends the escrow agent the payment, Seller sends the escrow agent a box, and when it has both the box and the payment, the escrow service sends the box to the Buyer and the money to the Seller. Escrow companies charge a fee for their service, however they do not usually guaranty the parties will receive the actual item promised. For example, Seller’s box might contain a rock and not a watch. The escrow company will not open the box to verify the contents. Using an escrow service is no guarantee of a safe transaction. Also note that there are many phony escrow companies out there.
Who pays shipping and insurance? You should always insure valuable items being shipped.
Inspection or return period
Will seller allow the watch to be returned? If yes, for what period of time, and for what reasons? Is the return privilege unconditional? Only if the watch is “not as described”? How will you resolve a “damaged in transit” situation? When does the return period begin to run? How must buyer notify seller if buyer wants to return the item? Who pays return shipping? Buyers should keep in mind that in a return situation, the seller will wind up with your money and with the watch back in their possession. Make sure your seller is trustworthy!
Duty, tax, or import restriction issues
Duties may be due on goods shipped across national borders. Import restriction issues may arise if you are trying to import a Rolex into the USA. There are also some restrictions on certain watch straps made from animal skins. Buyers are urged to do further research on these issues to determine the amount of any duty or tax that may be due, and to ensure the item they are buying can be shipped into their country.
Parties to transactions should get the other party’s mailing address (a fixed address, not a post office box) and a telephone number in the event you need to contact the Seller at a later date. Verify all information provided.
By using TimeZone.com you hereby agree as follows, The TimeZone Guidelines, Sales Corner Guidelines, TZ Showcase Guidelines, Sales Board Supplemental Guidelines, and Tips for Avoiding Fraud are hereby incorporated by reference as if fully stated herein.
Compliance with Law
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