With Bell & Ross [6/97]

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Live Chat with Bell & Ross

Wednesday – June 25, 1997

Greetings,

I’d like to give some background about Bell & Ross…our
Live Chat guests on Wednesday evening. Our first Live Chat was
a smashing success, we had over 100 people listening in…Breitling
is a big mainstream company, and has wide brand name recognition.
Bell & Ross on the other hand is an new, “upstart”,
watch company in the USA…but has gained tremendous ground
in a very short time, due to the brilliant marketing strategy
by Pierre Halimi of Bell & Ross…who will be our guest on
the Live Chat.

I must add here, to be perfectly open. that I am an authorized
Bell & Ross dealership…so if you see a conflict of interest…that
is something that you must draw your own conclusions on…I will
try to wear my “TimeZone” hat ..and not my “Paris
1925″ hat. I can only state that I decided to take on the
Bell& Ross line because I felt it was an exceptional watch
for the money, with great distributor support, and great service
department…due to their “lemon Law”.

I had lunch with Pierre recently in San Francisco, and we discussed
him coming on for a live chat…my concerns for him were that
I didn’t want the live chat to be a tug of war with our TimeZone
regulars…just monopolizing the discussion with the bell
& Ross / Sinn controversy…I thought that it would leave
the other people out who have no idea what the controversy is
and who really aren’t familiar with either brand. Pierre conveyed
to me that if this is the discussion ..so be it…that he wants
to come on the live Chat, that he is excited about “meeting
the TimeZoners” and that he feels that this is just as much
an opportunity for him to get his point across…he welcomes
all questions!! Bravo.

Okay…here’s the background on Bell & Ross in case it
never comes up since things fly fast and furious on the Live Chats:

Bell & Ross is a watch company designed by a team of French
designers, engineered by a German company, Sinn, and uses high
grade Swiss movements. Sinn is also a major supplier of instrument
panels for aeronautical companies: MBB, Dassault, and Sikorsky.

The watch company is based on the 4 “R’s”.

Readability: one of the most crucial features of a chronograph,
and somewhat deficient in many other brands, is the ease of read.
B&R, goes the distance in bringing a user eye-friendly watch.

Reliability: All movement in the chronographs are either Valjoux
or Lemania.

Ratio Price/ Quality: The Bell & Ross line is priced very
competitively, without compromising quality.

Requirements: The whole line is designed to meet the stringent
requirements of professionals, such as divers, pilots, and astronauts.
They supply several armed forces.

Hope you enjoy the “LIVE CHAT: Wednesday, June 25th,
@ 8:30 EDT (New York Time) or 5:30 PDT..California time.

best regards, Richard Paige, manager TimeZone

 

William Massena

6/26/97 8:09 AM

-Pierre, Congratulation I think that you achieved a great
deal in very little time, B&R are great watches.

Greg Buhyoff (Buhyoff@vt.edu)

6/26/97 8:09 AM

-I am a pilot and sea kayaker and prefer designs with an
aviation design — generally speaking — so the Classic TE was
preferred.

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 8:09 AM

-A little tip for the insiders. The capsule was offered
some years ago to Tag. They passed on it. Mr. Viros (CEO Tag)
congratulated us on our decision.

 

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 8:10 AM

-Thanks William. Not too easy though.

 

Greg Buhyoff (Buhyoff@vt.edu)

6/26/97 8:11 AM

-I will not monopolize the discussion, but wanted to tell
you I am pleased with the watch line.

 

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 8:11 AM

-Greg: Why did you choose B&R originally. What triggered
it?

William Massena

6/26/97 8:12 AM

-Pierre, When are we going to see these capsules on other
models, GMT pilots etc. ?

 

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 8:12 AM

-Wiiliam: we should see them coming by year end. I do not
know the price yet.

Greg Buhyoff (Buhyoff@vt.edu)

6/26/97 8:14 AM

-Perceived durability, exceptional legibility and functionality
— I bought them to tell time and do basic timing functions. I
did not want adornment = I wanted instruments.

 

Greg Buhyoff (Buhyoff@vt.edu)

6/26/97 8:15 AM

-I was not wrong — they have done all these things. What
is the most popular model?

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 8:15 AM

-Greg: You had other options:IWC, Fortis, Breitling… Maybe
you have all of them

William Massena

6/26/97 8:15 AM

-So what else NEW are we going to see from B&R soon?
any scoop on a new watch?

R. Paige (paris1925@earthlink.net)

6/26/97 8:16 AM

-William…we’ll get the live chat started in about 10 minutes…would
you mind reasking this question when we officially start

Dennis (dennis_t@hitachi-cable.com.sg)

6/26/97 8:16 AM

-Any chance of a alarm watch from B&R, it seems to be
popular recently.

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 8:16 AM

-William: many new models that are going to replace some
other ons. The idea is to get more classic on the classic line
and more technical on the other line.

Greg Buhyoff (Buhyoff@vt.edu)

6/26/97 8:18 AM

-Yes, I considered the other options — I have owned Breitling
— they are not readable and I have had problems with them. IWC
is superb. Fortis is a very poor runnerup to the Bell and Ross,
in my opinion.

William Massena

6/26/97 8:22 AM

-Richard & Pierre, Could we ask questions about VDB
during this chat or limit it to B&R?

 

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 8:23 AM

-Wiiliam: No question barred…

 

R. Paige (paris1925@earthlink.net)

6/26/97 8:27 AM

-Okay…let’s get started..it’s 5:30.

Hello everyone, thanks for tuning in…I would like to
introduce Pierre Halimi of Bell & Ross fame…our featured
watch guest for this evening…Pierre you can start off at anytime
now…thank you so much for joining us

 

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 8:28 AM

-To Dennis: I would like you to reask it again. It goes
to the core of whet we believe in. Good question.

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 8:29 AM

-I decided not to have an opening statement and see where
the discussion goes. Anywhere… Hopefully

 

Dennis (dennis_t@hitachi-cable.com.sg)

6/26/97 8:29 AM

-Hi Pierre, Welcome, I would like to know if B&R have
intention to produce dress watch or complication like repeater
etc.

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 8:30 AM

-William: about the deepest. We streesed that we did not
care about this stupid world record as nobody will need it. We
went to the deepest point on earth . It seems enough. What we
stress is the readability…

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 8:32 AM

-William bis: I would likt to talk more about the Hydro…
FTC ruling and all if anyone is interested…

david (david@lookoutgfx.com)

6/26/97 8:32 AM

-Hello Pierre, I read that the Space models use the Lemania
5100 movement. Is there a specific reason why they chose this
above the Valjoux 7750 found in other models?

 

R. Paige (paris1925@earthlink.net)

6/26/97 8:33 AM

-Whoa…too many questions…I’m loosing track

please let Pierre answer 1 question at a time

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 8:34 AM

-David: I think the Lemania is a far superior Mvt. First
it is more readable. Second it is made to be a chrono unlike the
Valjoux which is a module. Therefore needs more jewels.

bryan goh (bryang@cyberway.com.sg)

6/26/97 8:35 AM

-Pierre you say that the Valjoux 7750 is a module construction?

Dennis (dennis_t@hitachi-cable.com.sg)

6/26/97 8:36 AM

-I am not sure about Lemania movement but the Valjoux is
very popular and also seems to be used by many top manufacturer,
how is that so?

 

William Massena

6/26/97 8:37 AM

-Dennis, it is cheap…

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 8:37 AM

-Scoop: Lemania is going to jack up the prices on the 5100.
You will see big incerases on B&R models that use it and othe
rcompanies. I hope it is not too bad news to R. Paige (as a B&R
Dealer)>

bryan goh (bryang@cyberway.com.sg)

6/26/97 8:37 AM

-I believe a lot of the time the movement in a chrono is
chosen by the dial layout

Dennis (dennis_t@hitachi-cable.com.sg)

6/26/97 8:37 AM

-What about the Al Primero movement compared to the Lemania
?

 

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 8:38 AM

-Valjoux ads on their base mvt. Lemania was meant to be
a chrono (5100).

Darrell (dhtrek@aol.com)

6/26/97 8:38 AM

-that would be a sinn

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 8:39 AM

-El Primero is great as it beats more often. It is still
not as precise as quartz…

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 8:39 AM

-To Bryan: I do not think the lay out has anything to do
with the choice of Mvt. The overall dimension maybe…

Justin Time (sthach@arco.com)

6/26/97 8:39 AM

-Valjoux 7750–Does more jewels/modular design just means
inefficient design, or more parts to go bad and more difficult
movement to repair?

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 8:42 AM

-Justin Time: our philosophy: the less parts the better
as there are less chance of anything going wrong.

H.Tse

6/26/97 8:43 AM

-Pierre, What is B&R’s target market in the US?

Dennis (dennis_t@hitachi-cable.com.sg)

6/26/97 8:43 AM

-Pierre, What is the future direction for B&R?

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 8:44 AM

-H: What do you mean as target. Volume or consumer profile?

R. Paige (paris1925@earthlink.net)

6/26/97 8:45 AM

-William…please ask your question again

 

H.Tse

6/26/97 8:45 AM

-Pierre, Consumer profile. Age group, Income level, demographics,
etc.

William Massena

6/26/97 8:46 AM

-Pierre, Why such a price difference between Sinn in Germany
and B&R in US?

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 8:48 AM

-H: as broad as it can be. Sport watches (and no jewelry)
(nor repeaters). an everyday sportwatch. Therefore it may apply
to many. The best group so far is the “would be “engineer.
You havee to understand that none of us need another watch. We
just fancy them. We are trying to bring common sense (at our level).
Like Why buy a sport watch if you cannot see it. It is amazing
how coherent B&R is. Not my doing though.

bryan goh (bryang@cyberway.com.sg)

6/26/97 8:48 AM

-Pierre, what is your personal favourite B&R model and
what is B&R’s flagship model (if not the same)?

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 8:49 AM

-William: simple: Sinn sells directly ex factory. Nowhere
else in the world. All new B&R models are though exclusive.
We are planning to enter the German market in 1998. Ironical?

William Massena

6/26/97 8:49 AM

-Bryan: I’ll bet that it is the Diver

Dennis (dennis_t@hitachi-cable.com.sg)

6/26/97 8:50 AM

-Pierre, what about the asia market?

david (david@lookoutgfx.com)

6/26/97 8:50 AM

Pierre: I noticed that many “professional” watches
of B&R are mechanical…is this the best choice? I was always
of the opinion that a quartz mechanism would be sturdier.

Greg Buhyoff (Buhyoff@vt.edu)

6/26/97 8:50 AM

-Coherent– Yes, that one word sums up my experience with
the Bell&Ross watches.

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 8:51 AM

-Bryan: in the US the Classic collection (all white hands)
sell best in the East coast. West coast is more in tune with B&R
and buys Techniocal (red hands). As a paradox I own a Diver metal
(on an orange band) and a Hydro (on a REmREm band).

 

H.Tse

6/26/97 8:51 AM

-Pierre, How do you feel about Sinn’s presence in the US?

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 8:52 AM

-David: We believe that function supersedes design andf
choice of mvt. We are not against Quartz (look at the Hydro) and
you will see more quartz watches if they are justified.

Bob L. (lilbug@map.com)

6/26/97 8:52 AM

-Pierre, strictly out of curiosity, is there a Mr. Bell
and/or a Mr. Ross, our is it just a nice set of names?

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 8:52 AM

-Dennis: Japan is opening their door, End of this year with
our new models…

 

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 8:54 AM

-H: Not at all. It only might create a confusion in your
mind. After all we allways said who we are. Bell & Ross by
Sinn is on every dial and catalog…

 

William Massena

6/26/97 8:54 AM

-Good question Bob L.

Greg Buhyoff (Buhyoff@vt.edu)

6/26/97 8:54 AM

-Straps — yes, that raises the question — I would like
something other than the black straps — In fact I think something
other than black would be nice on the Classic TE — what’s on
the way?

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 8:54 AM

-Bob L.: yes there is a Bell amich and a Ross illo. Nice
combination.

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 8:56 AM

-Greg: how about nioce croc bands, I received them TODAY.
best is orange but we have black, brown and red. $175.00

david (david@lookoutgfx.com)

6/26/97 8:56 AM

-I forgot to mention mine…sea-dweller and it’s nearly
3am here in holland.

Greg Buhyoff (Buhyoff@vt.edu)

6/26/97 8:56 AM

-Gee, Richard, now that I know that there are only 300 Classic
TE’s — I really looking forward to that delivery!

R. Paige (paris1925@earthlink.net)

6/26/97 8:56 AM

-Pierre..let me get this straight..you’ll be selling B&R’s
in germany…do you forsee a conflict??

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 8:56 AM

-By the way I am wearing a PUW watch by Jorg Shauer.

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 8:57 AM<
to stay ahead of the pack

 

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 8:58 AM

-Richard. There will be no conflict as we will do it with
Sinn and with B&R models. We ahd too many calls from stores
not to jump on it.

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 8:59 AM

-David: I cannot believe that you would stay that late.
But what is time. As Talleyrand said on his death bed: Ëternity
is long, specially towards the end”.

H.Tse

6/26/97 8:59 AM

-Pierre, who is B&R’s number one competitor? Does B&R
let Sinn do all the design work for your line?

William Massena

6/26/97 8:59 AM

-Pierre, are you planning to sell your watches with bands
from other companies as accessories? (wearing a B&R GMT in
honor of our guest!)

bryan goh (bryang@cyberway.com.sg)

6/26/97 9:00 AM

-Pierre, Does B&R sell in Singapore? If so where can
I get one?

david (david@lookoutgfx.com)

6/26/97 9:01 AM

-Well…I cheated a bit I especially woke up for this chat.
I wanted to be here the last time I was 3 hours late due to a
EDT-PDT mistake.

b

6/26/97 9:01 AM

-david:

Pierre.. How about it: will Bell & Ross refine the
dual analog/digital quartz chrono?

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:01 AM

-H: we do all the design and image. That is the BELL in
Bell & Ross. Bruno Bellamich is a young watch addicted crazy
designer. He already planned the B&R designs for the next
5 years. There will be modification though. That has been my
luck to work with guys that know where they want to go and work at it.

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:02 AM

-Bryan: not yet in Singapore. One country at a time.

William Massena

6/26/97 9:02 AM

-Pierre, Talleyrand was wearing a Breguet not a B&R
:)

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:03 AM

-H: I do not think that we compete with a lot of people.
More realsitacally: Fortis on the low end, IWC on the high.

Dennis (dennis_t@hitachi-cable.com.sg)

6/26/97 9:03 AM

-Pierre, Will you allow your watches to be sold thru the
Internet?

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:03 AM

-William: Which one was he wearing?

Bob L. (lilbug@map.com)

6/26/97 9:04 AM

-Pierre, are B&R and Sinn actually made in the same
place at the same construction line, so to speak? I wd presume
in Germany?

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:04 AM

-Dennis: do you think 1) it’s a good idea 2) feasable for
a young brand?

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:04 AM

-Bob: YES. 100%

H.Tse

6/26/97 9:04 AM

-Pierre, I have got an idea for you next time you see Mr.
Bell. How about a watch made totally out of carbon fiber? Humm,
will you be able to get a Valjoux 7750 in carbon fiber?

Steellll (Steellll@aol.com)

6/26/97 9:05 AM

-I saw your new Bomb Squad watch. What’s the size /water resist rating / size of band /etc. I’m looking for very tough but you Hydro seems a bit much for me.

Darrell (dhtrek@aol.com)

6/26/97 9:05 AM

-Pierre, what additional plans do you have for the WOT Flyer?

R. Paige (paris1925@earthlink.net)

6/26/97 9:05 AM

-Pierre…can you explain what amagnetic really is…and
how it’s accomplished in the Bomb squad

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:05 AM

-H: we are not playing with the alloys enough you are right.
Carbon fiber has a lot to go for. We know.

Dennis (dennis_t@hitachi-cable.com.sg)

6/26/97 9:06 AM

-Pierre, I think it does no harm and is definetly good for
people like us who cannot wait for the watch to arrive ?

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:06 AM

-Steeelll: Please e-mail me for technical questions if you
may.

Bob L. (lilbug@map.com)

6/26/97 9:06 AM

-Pierre, I think the Flyer is top notch-keep it up, you’re
definitely moving in the right direction!

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:07 AM

-Darell: I have a lot of ideas for the Flyer but it takes
time (and money). I need help to create a true consumer-no questions
barred nmag. Please help.

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:08 AM

-Dennis: which one are you waiting for?

 

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:09 AM

-Richard: any watch is anti magnetic (to a certain degree).
Amagnetic means that it does not produce any magnetism. Which
could be important when you defuse a bomb. NO, the Bomb Squad
is not BOMB PROOF.

 

Justin Time (sthach@arco.com)

6/26/97 9:09 AM

-Pierre, I am confused–this happened a lot as you get older–I
thought that a French team designed the original B & R line
and Sinn built it. Who is doing what these days for the different
B & R and Sinn lines?

Dennis (dennis_t@hitachi-cable.com.sg)

6/26/97 9:10 AM

-Pierre, Everyone of them if I can afford it!

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:10 AM

-Bob: Thanks for the compliment. But imagine one second:
I have 2 shops, 2 watch to distribute in the US and a mag. I do
this because I love it. Same as Richard aquiring the Tiemzone.
You have to love it. But we all need support…

H.Tse

6/26/97 9:11 AM

-Pierre, what is you other line?

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:12 AM

-Justin Time: if you need the whole story, I will be happy.
I need a little more time as it is on the long side. Anyway 90%
of the B&R you know were designed by Bruno.

 

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:12 AM

-H:Van Der Bauwede.

William Massena

6/26/97 9:12 AM

-Pierre, thinking about the flyer and gossips, I heard a
rumor that Van der Bauwede is having legal problem with Franck
Muller, about the name “Magnum legende” and that the
VDB is a copy of FM tonneau models? any insight?

 

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:13 AM

-Justin Time: by the way you are supposed to get wiser not
older. Old has another concept which is very western civilization
oriented.

Bob L. (lilbug@map.com)

6/26/97 9:13 AM

-I saw the VDB at a store in Northampton,Mass-most impressive
and a real monster!

 

R. Paige (paris1925@earthlink.net)

6/26/97 9:14 AM

-Is this true about Franck Muller?

Greg Buhyoff (Buhyoff@vt.edu)

6/26/97 9:14 AM

-Pierre, you told us where the Bell comes from — how about
Ross? Ross is not a French sounding surname.

 

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:16 AM

-William: we do have a little problem that is true. I do
not understand really why they would be scared by VDB. Franck
Muller is MUCH nicer. On the name Magnum: it has been registered
by TIMEX. We only use it as a definition of the movement. VDB
might be stopped altogether if too may problems occur though. We
are too small to go to court. David and Goliath revisited??

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:16 AM

-Richard: what is true about F, Muller?

 

R. Paige (paris1925@earthlink.net)

6/26/97 9:17 AM

-About the legal problems..but you just answered it

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:17 AM

-Greg: Ross comes form Rossillo. Now look: Bell Ross, and
Sinn (one consonn, one voyell, two consonns) Pretty?

H.Tse

6/26/97 9:19 AM

-Pierre, will B&R have a model similar to the Breitling
Aerospace?

William Massena

6/26/97 9:19 AM

-Now Pierre, what new toys are we getting from B&R,
VDB for Xmas?

david (david@lookoutgfx.com)

6/26/97 9:19 AM

-Pierre: I’ve seen you mention a couple of times that the
silicone in the Hydro was a “solid”. How is this possible
I always though that only a the particles of a liquid or gas could
move about with freedom.

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:19 AM

-If you want to know a little bit more about B&R “success” story:
Carlos (Rossillo) and Bruno (Bellamich) started the whole company
with…$40,000. Multilpy it abd adda feew zeros and you know
how much the US alone spent last year.

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:20 AM

-H: No. we have in plan something on a quartz basis which
will ot be based on this movement. It is a good tool though.

Greg Buhyoff (Buhyoff@vt.edu)

6/26/97 9:20 AM

-Pierre, yes very pretty :)!

Justin Time (sthach@arco.com)

6/26/97 9:21 AM

-About getting old…Well Pierre, my grandfather told me
about 40 years ago that as you get older, you do not get any wiser.
You’re just so slow you make fewer mistakes. I think he was right.
I make very few mistakes these days.

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:21 AM

-David: good question. But how about Mercury. it looks liquid
but has the property of a solid.

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:22 AM

-David: to avoid any mistakes don’t do anything. French
proverb.

Bob L. (lilbug@map.com)

6/26/97 9:22 AM

-Pierre, does B & R plan anything in gold?

Lou Jacobs

6/26/97 9:24 AM

-Pierre: A model with the digital features of the Aerospace,
but with updated electronics would be a winner.

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:25 AM

-Bob: Good question. We cannot see it fitting in our line
now, but with the new models coming 1998 (to be safe) you will
see white dials and gold. And it will still be a bell & Ross.
Never loose sight on what made you.

Lou Jacobs

6/26/97 9:26 AM

-Auto message: Lou Jacobs joined.

Justin Time (sthach@arco.com)

6/26/97 9:26 AM

-Pierre, back to the Hydro, s’il vous plait?–Richard do
not get a whiplash, we need you–Pierre, does the silicone permeate
the entire movement of the Hydro? If yes, what would happen if
we try bathing a mechanical movement rather than a quartz in silicone? Just imagine, no more cleaning/lubrication needed for ever, plus perfect legibility; that would be something! It would
be fun too recalculating and recalibrating momentum, friction,
spring tension, etc, in silicone oil. On second thought, may be
I ought to try to get a patent on this idea first…

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:27 AM

-Lou: then we have to compete with big houses (Seiko, Casio,
and Motorola). I was an assistant on a Motoroal project. You cannot
imagine the power of these houses. Regroup all watch companies
present in the US and you still a dwarf. Our only edge is design and focus. For how long. But what is a watch for: to tell
time?

 

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:29 AM

-I was reading last night a little work by Umberto Eco about
watches. Very interesting about the true definition of one. Is
it supposed to tell time? then make it accurate and choose quartz.
Is it supposed to be a piece of jewelry then buy diamonds…Is
it supposed to be the next step in PC, watch, telephone,
etc…

 

Greg Buhyoff (Buhyoff@vt.edu)

6/26/97 9:30 AM

-Pierre — a mundane question — Anything other than black,
buffalo straps on the way?

William Massena

6/26/97 9:30 AM

-Now Pierre, what new toys are we getting from B&R,
VDB for Xmas?

Steellll (Steellll@aol.com)

6/26/97 9:30 AM

-Pierre, How would you rate the quartz movements your using
and who is the maker?

Christopher

6/26/97 9:31 AM

-Pierre: Does Bell & Ross plan to use black, or any
other colors of titanium?

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:31 AM

-Justin: it would be so nice. So nice actually that we tried.
It does not work. Ever heard of friction. We had so many problems
with the quartz mvt alone with torque problems. But wouldn’t we
live happily in silicone? (it is the same one used for implants by the way as it graded as the purer and is not supposed
to have impurities).

 

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:33 AM

-Greg: We received TODAY the new croc bands (and they are
nice) Colours are Orange, brown, black and red. better than the
Buffalo that could tend to be boring.

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:34 AM

-Steell: ETA. Average. But they do not come better unless
you use kinetic or electro mechanical. None of which works for
the Hydro.

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:35 AM

-Christopher: Not to my knowlegde even though we tried.
It looked cheap. It is the way of the future when people understand
more about titanium.

 

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:36 AM

-Wiiliam: for X-mas we are going to give you the best present
of all: TIME. Time goes you said? No my friend, time stays, we
go…

 

William Massena

6/26/97 9:37 AM

-Pierre, I heard another rumor that B&R will introduce
a special limited edition watch soon, any scoop?

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:37 AM

-I have to admit that I am having a lot of fun here. And
I am sincerely flattered with your interest. But I was expecting
embarassing questions from you guys. Remember no questions barred
here. Let’s play the game.

Christopher

6/26/97 9:37 AM

-Pierre: Thank you. Do you forsee a continuation, and hopefully
an expansion, of the black chrome finish on your line?

Darrell (dhtrek@aol.com)

6/26/97 9:39 AM

-ok Pierre, What’s the most popular model in the line?

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:39 AM

-William: you are well informed. It will be a special serie
based on the hydro with a special packaging. For your info and
as a scoop (it is not even signed yet) the packaging will be designed
by Haliburton makers of the “ZERO”case. Richard is probably
taking notes as we chat to plan his future window.

 

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:40 AM

-Christopher: the balck chrome is an essential part of our
collection as it is the one we sell the best to pilots (as there
is no reflection whatsoever). I do not foresee an expansion but
a evolution.

R. Paige (paris1925@earthlink.net)

6/26/97 9:41 AM

-I am taking notes..I want the first series!!!

Bob Loewenthal

6/26/97 9:41 AM

-Ok, why do your watches cost 3 times as much as the identical
Sinn and how can this cost POSSIBILY be justified!!!

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:42 AM

-Dareel: depending on which coast: M1 and Space One in California.
Classic and Diver in NY.

david (david@lookoutgfx.com)

6/26/97 9:42 AM

-Pierre: why do watch distributes set the list price so
high if they know that the dealers give a 30% or higher discount
anyway. Here in Europe they hardly ever give discounts…you pay
what they ask and most of the times it’s nearly half the list
price in the US.

William Massena

6/26/97 9:42 AM

-Richard, Since I got the scoop I hope that I won one of
these watches :)

david (david@lookoutgfx.com)

6/26/97 9:44 AM

-Including our ridiculous 17.5% VAT

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:44 AM

-Bob: Now we are talking. I do not know where you see 3
times but as mentionned many times before (and once before) this
is choice of distibution. Sinn in Germany is ex factory. here
and everywhere else it goes thru the proper channel. We understand
the problem that it might create. We ahve decided in 1995 to
own our line 100%. It costs a lot of money but it is our only
way out of this problem. All new models since 1997 are 100% ours
and we will introduce in SHOPS in GERMANY Bell & Ross in 1998.
Ironical?

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:46 AM

-David: it is a problem that might bring the whole industry
down. The problem is not the money saved but to be able to find
it for less a couple of blocks away. You (and I) will feel taken.
Price is not everything.

Justin Time (sthach@arco.com)

6/26/97 9:46 AM

-Pierre, we need to use more exotic metals for sports watches
to make them externally more durable. I think titanium nitride
would be near ideal: ultra-light, non-magnetic, and pretty near
scratch resistant. Any plan?

-DAVID: Great message. I rather pay less at full price than
more at a large discount.

-Richard: To many !!!!!

GRP (glennp@erols.com)

6/26/97 9:46 AM

-So, Pierre, does this mean that the latestest models you’re
putting out will NOT be available from Sinn in Germany?

Bob Loewenthal

6/26/97 9:47 AM

-But how can you epect ANYONE in Germany to buy the same
watch at a much higher cost????

William Massena

6/26/97 9:47 AM

-That this means that you will soon discontinue the line
you share with Sinn?

R. Paige (paris1925@earthlink.net)

6/26/97 9:49 AM

-Pierre just called me…he’s had a power outage and he
will be back on in a few minutes.

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:49 AM

-Auto message: Bell & Ross joined.

 

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:50 AM

-Sorry for the power outage. Must have been my competitors

bryan goh

6/26/97 9:50 AM

-RP, BTW Thanks I got my SWIS Pin. What’s with the 9 o’clock?

R. Paige (paris1925@earthlink.net)

6/26/97 9:50 AM

-Pierre scroll down..you only missed a few questions..

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:50 AM

-William: it means that we will eventually diverge even
if we keep a certain line together.

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:51 AM

-Bob: it will not be the same watch. For ex: if you want
to buy the Hydro right now, you have to buy a Bell & Ross.
And you cannot get it from Sinn.

R. Paige (paris1925@earthlink.net)

6/26/97 9:51 AM

-Bryan: just a quirk of fate..

david (david@lookoutgfx.com)

6/26/97 9:52 AM

-Just a private note I looked up the state of mercury on
the web page of Queens University Chemistry dept. It said that
mercury is a liquid;-)

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:53 AM

-How about divulging some B&R ross flops or non happenings?
anyone interested?

 

William Massena

6/26/97 9:54 AM

-Pierre, what do you think of the watches that Sinn currently
sells in US?

Greg Buhyoff (Buhyoff@vt.edu)

6/26/97 9:54 AM

-Yes — tell us tell us about the flops

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:55 AM

-William: If we did not bother to redesign them and take
them on as we were able to, what does it tell you?

John McSweeny (jmcsweeny)

6/26/97 9:55 AM

-Pierre – Sounds interesting. Let’s hear it

 

William Massena

6/26/97 9:56 AM

-Pierre, touche

Darrell (dhtrek@aol.com)

6/26/97 9:57 AM

-Yeah Pierre, what about the flub-ups!

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 9:58 AM

-2 years ago, I approached B&R with the idea to make
a chrono auto alarm. I had the guy to do it: Paul Gerber. One
of the best watchmaker in the world and good friend of mine..
He made the most complicated Muller even more complicated without
making a new case…Just adding a tourbillon and a split. The idea
p[lease B&R and was under way when they spooked about the
price to own your own mvt. Who took it, FORTIS. It could have
been under a differetn design a B&R. Now how’s that for a
flop. Missing a world premiere. I tried and failed to convince them Need less
to say that they regret it.

R. Paige (paris1925@earthlink.net)

6/26/97 10:00 AM

-Pierre…why does VDB stop producing Dec 1999..is their
lease up??

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 10:01 AM

-A second almost flop is the Bomb Squad. Even though it
sells well i think that is the best example of a 100% functional
approach over design. I know that it was designed for the French
Securite Civile, but they could have made it better looking. It
is very germanic in its design (and NO it wasn’t designed by
Sinn). I really do not care for it that much. Just compared its
sister: the HYDRO. What a difference a dial and hands can make.

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 10:04 AM

-Richard: actually it has not been decided 100% yet. I will
push for it as i think that a brand needs to evolve and offer
its best at a certain time. I like the idea to limit it in time
and not number. Different. But it is not supposed to be the only
reason why you are contemplating a VDB. Buy ONLY what you like.
Prices or limited supply does not make a watch interesting, only
more desirable.

Darrell (dhtrek@aol.com)

6/26/97 10:04 AM

-Pierre, I read the other day either here that someone had a capsule turning blue already on a relatively new watch. Is that normal?

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 10:05 AM

-William: my turn to embarass you: I heard that from watch
aficionado you are becoming more involved with the business part
of it. Can you elaborate.

William Massena

6/26/97 10:06 AM

-Pierre, thanks for confessing your sin(n)s,why didn’t B&R
put the LOGo of the French Bob Squad on the watch (a la Breitling)?
Marketing wise it makes sense

LTD

6/26/97 10:06 AM

-Help the ignorant… what is VDB?

R. Paige (paris1925@earthlink.net)

6/26/97 10:07 AM

-VDB=Van der Bauwede watches

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 10:07 AM

-Darell: if you leave the crown out… or if there is a
defect in the watch case. Or if you push the pushers under water.
It just shows though that it is doing its job. It is getting the
H2O molecule entering. All the new ones are being delivered with
a slight blue hue as we test it before.

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 10:09 AM

-Wiiliam: why would the French bomb sqaud need it? That
is all the problem when you are commissionned, they wanted a watch
so practical and naked of all decor superflous.

R. Paige (paris1925@earthlink.net)

6/26/97 10:09 AM

-Wait a minute…something fell through the cracks…what
is William’s new business in watches ?

William Massena

6/26/97 10:11 AM

-ah ah, I see that you have also very good (gossip) sources,
yes I must admit that I am planning to distribute two watch brands
in the USA very soon (july). one is Daniel JeanRichard which is
own by GP and the other is RemRem (watch and bands) which are
doing very well in the cheap quartz category in Europe. (for
those of you who are interested our web site is www.remrem.com).
This is an ad sorry Richard

Darrell (dhtrek@aol.com)

6/26/97 10:11 AM

-One more from me Pierre, What’s the recommended service interval and who does the service?

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 10:11 AM

-I have to apologize for all the grammatical, spelling and
typos. It is only due to a poor education on my French part. Merci
de votre compréhension.

Greg Buhyoff (Buhyoff@vt.edu)

6/26/97 10:12 AM

-Pierre, thanks for your honesty and open sharing of information.
I appreciated the opportunity to meet you here. I must now log
off. Good night (good morning to some!) and good luck to all.

Darrell (dhtrek@aol.com)

6/26/97 10:12 AM

-One more from me Pierre, What’s the recommended service interval and who does the service?

david (david@lookoutgfx.com)

6/26/97 10:12 AM

-Sorry to bug you again I get it now the state of solution
of the silicone is liquid but the state of the solute is solid
if I’m not mistaken.

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 10:15 AM

-David: I do not follow you. A solute solid?

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 10:17 AM

I wish you would all help me with my Wings Of Time Flyer.
We could do some fun stuff. Like create a buying pool, create
our own watch brand (virtually or physically). The press is a
powerful tool..like the internet

david (david@lookoutgfx.com)

6/26/97 10:18 AM

-Erm…okay an example a solution of mercury in silver.
The state of solution is solid, state of solvent is solid, state
of solute (mercury) is liquid.

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 10:19 AM

-Shall we call it quits or do anyone has a question. My
time is yours, but I do not want to abuse your interest. Let me
know.

 

R. Paige (paris1925@earthlink.net)

6/26/97 10:19 AM

Well we’re going on 2 hours now…this is quite a momentous
event for TimeZone….I must sign off myself now..Pierre will
continue if he wants…thanks so much Pierre you’ve helped make
“TimeZone” the best place on the internet for watch
information…

LTD

6/26/97 10:20 AM

-Pierre: Thankyou very much. And Richard, as always, we
owe you a great debt.

Justin Time (sthach@arco.com)

6/26/97 10:20 AM

-Pierre, same message that you missed during power outage.
Any plan to use scratchfree surface to go with perfect legibility
and the sports image? How about titanium nitride? Or other exotic
new materials?

bryan goh (bryang @cyberway.com.sg)

6/26/97 10:21 AM

-Pierre, I have just sent you a scan or rather a picture
of a watch I sketched. However I think it will go to the Bell
& Ross general mailbox. You want to pick it up later? CC R.Paige.
Just for laughs.

William Massena

6/26/97 10:21 AM

-Pierre, you did a great job thanks

Darrell (dhtrek@aol.com)

6/26/97 10:21 AM

-I’ve had enough Pierre, you win! you outlasted me. Thanks alot.

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 10:21 AM

-David: this goes beyond my knowledge. I haven’t had chemistry
for 15 years and do not feel like I can answer your question.
If you would e-mail me all your questions I would be happy to
research it. Now do you know why it is important for the silicone
to be a solid: it does not freeze. Unless you go near the
absolute zero (-273 C, if i am correct)

david (david@lookoutgfx.com)

6/26/97 10:21 AM

-Thanks Richard for hosting these great events bye.

bryan goh (bryang @cyberway.com.sg)

6/26/97 10:22 AM

-Thanks Pierre and Richard for an informative session. Good
evening, Good morning , Good Day.

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 10:23 AM

-Justin: re scratchproof, I think rado proved that ceramic
was the way to go. I wish they would make a better design though.

 

Dave64 (Dave64@earthlink.net)

6/26/97 10:25 AM

-Yes, thank you all for the information provided. I haven’t
said a word because I just started having an interest in watches.
Before searching through the internet, all I was looking at were
Breitlings. This has been quite enlightening.

Justin Time (sthach@arco.com)

6/26/97 10:25 AM

-Looking forward to a ceramic B&R. Thank you Pierre,
Richard. This has been a blast, and an informative one at that.
Good night all.

Justin Time (sthach@arco.com)

6/26/97 10:25 AM

-Auto message: Justin Time logged off

R. Paige (paris1925@earthlink.net)

6/26/97 10:25 AM

-Goodnight..thanks Pierre…your invited back again anytime
you like…this has been very informative..goodnight everyone

bryan goh (bryang @cyberway.com.sg)

6/26/97 10:26 AM

-Thanks Pierre and Richard for an informative session. Good
evening, Good morning, Good Day.

 

david (david@lookoutgfx.com)

6/26/97 10:27 AM

-thanks to Pierre too:)

Bell & Ross (bellross@bellsouth.net)

6/26/97 10:27 AM

-Thank you all. And I will “see”you on the net
and/or in the press. I had a great Time. (and a mechanical one
at that!)

John McSweeny (jmcsweeny)

6/26/97 10:28 AM

-Thank you, Pierre and Richard.

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